Legislature(2003 - 2004)

03/24/2004 01:39 PM House FIN

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SENATE BILL NO. 291                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     An Act extending the transition period for activities                                                                      
     involving unstamped cigarettes; and providing for an                                                                       
     effective date.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  CON BUNDE  explained  that  the bill  addresses  the                                                                   
unfair  treatment  of tobacco  product  retailers  conducting                                                                   
legitimate  business. The  Legislature passed  a tobacco  tax                                                                   
and subsequently  also required  cigarettes to be  stamped to                                                                   
track who  was paying the  tax, so that legitimate  retailers                                                                   
would  not  be  at a  financial  disadvantage  to  the  black                                                                   
market. The original legislation  gave the retailers a 90-day                                                                   
window  to dispose of  unstamped stock  when the  legislation                                                                   
passed. It  appeared to  be an  adequate time period  because                                                                   
manufacturers previously  had a policy that  any excess stock                                                                   
could be  returned to  the manufacturer.   The  manufacturers                                                                   
have since  ended that  practice, putting  the burden  on the                                                                   
Alaskan retailers.  The bill would  extend the  deadline from                                                                   
March 31 to  June 30, 2004 for holding  unstamped cigarettes.                                                                   
It  is  an   adequate  time  period  for   selling  unstamped                                                                   
cigarettes.  Senator Bunde  said that  if the  bill does  not                                                                   
pass, the retailers' unstamped stock would be confiscated.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Fate asked  if  the sponsor  had studied  the                                                                   
turnover rate of  cigarette sales, and whether  June 30, 2004                                                                   
is an  adequate time period for  the depletion of  the stock.                                                                   
Senator Bunde deferred to Ms. Bales.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
JOHANNA BALES, AUDITOR, TAX DIVISION,  DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE,                                                                   
noted that she is also the Program  Manager for the Cigarette                                                                   
and Tobacco  Products Tax,  and has worked  in this  tax type                                                                   
since  1997. She  explained that  the normal  shelf life  for                                                                   
cigarettes is 4-6 months, so given  the additional 90 days in                                                                   
the bill;  the retailers would  have a full six-month  period                                                                   
since  the  cigarette  stamp  legislation  was  enacted.  She                                                                   
anticipated that  some retailers would still  have product on                                                                   
hand, but  most retailers indicated  that the  additional 90-                                                                   
day period would be sufficient.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Harris  asked if  this would allow  for a $1  a pack                                                                   
tax  increase on  stamped cigarettes.  Senator Bunde  replied                                                                   
that he doubted it, considering the bill title.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Hawker   questioned    why   the   cigarette                                                                   
manufacturers' liberal  return goods policy has  changed. Ms.                                                                   
Bales replied  that the  Tobacco Master Settlement  Agreement                                                                   
has  driven  the return  goods  policy.    In the  past,  the                                                                   
manufacturers  allowed distributors  and retailers  to return                                                                   
product  for the retail  price  on the day  it was  returned,                                                                   
regardless of  what they paid  for it. One manufacturer  told                                                                   
Ms.  Bales  that the  return  goods  policy  was felt  to  be                                                                   
"liberal to the point of stupidity."  The return goods policy                                                                   
changed  after SB  168 was  signed into  law, without  notice                                                                   
that this would happen.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Meyer requested  clarification  that the  tobacco                                                                   
companies' decision  not to take product back  is not related                                                                   
to the  passage of the tobacco  stamp and relates  instead to                                                                   
the Master Settlement, and asked  if it is happening in other                                                                   
states.  Ms.  Bales  affirmed  that it  has  been  instituted                                                                   
nationwide.   She explained that  the Division tried  to work                                                                   
with  the manufacturers  to allow  a window  to take  product                                                                   
back after the stamp was enacted,  but the manufacturers were                                                                   
concerned that it would set a precedent with other states.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Meyer  asked how much  inventory would need  to be                                                                   
sold.    Ms. Bales  was  unsure.  She  pointed out  that  the                                                                   
Division  came to  a compromise  with  the manufacturers  who                                                                   
agreed  to  take  product  back   temporarily,  allowing  the                                                                   
Division under statute  to give a credit to  the distributors                                                                   
but  not to  the retailers.  The Division  believed that  the                                                                   
retailers  would  be given  a  full  90-day period,  but  the                                                                   
retailers have  continued to get  unstamped product  from the                                                                   
distributors who  used the initial 90-day period  to sell off                                                                   
their unstamped product.  The  retailers haven't been given a                                                                   
90-day period  like the distributors.  The Division  has been                                                                   
given  assurances  by  the distributors  that  all  of  their                                                                   
product will be stamped by the end of March 2004.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Meyer  asked how  it  is known  that  90 days  is                                                                   
enough  time for  retailers to  sell the  product. Ms.  Bales                                                                   
admitted  that it would  not be  enough time  for all  of the                                                                   
retailers. The  Division told  the retailers that  they could                                                                   
have "fire sales"  and reduce their prices  without violating                                                                   
the minimum pricing laws that  were enacted at the same time.                                                                   
The retailers she had spoken with  felt that 90 days would be                                                                   
adequate.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Meyer asked  if Alaska  Bush  retailers would  be                                                                   
adversely  impacted  by  selling   by  July  1  if  they  had                                                                   
stockpiled product.  Ms. Bales  replied that she had received                                                                   
about 100  calls from  across the  state indicating  that the                                                                   
90-day extension would be an adequate amount of time.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde  clarified that  the intent of  the bill  is to                                                                   
ensure that the tax laws are enforced,  because an open-ended                                                                   
extension would  allow some businesses to circumvent  the tax                                                                   
laws, an unfair advantage.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Meyer  agreed with collecting  the tax as  soon as                                                                   
possible, stating that it should  be implemented immediately.                                                                   
He  questioned   the  time  period  of  the   extension,  and                                                                   
disagreed with  allowing a "fire  sale" because it  would not                                                                   
discourage kids from smoking.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde expressed that a  "bonfire sale" might be good.                                                                   
He  pointed  out  that  the  distributors  have  moved  their                                                                   
unstamped  product,   so  it  involves  a  lower   volume  of                                                                   
cigarettes at the retailer level.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Meyer asked  if the extent of the  black market is                                                                   
known and how much  product is bought off the  Internet.  Ms.                                                                   
Bales replied that the Division  has some preliminary data on                                                                   
the number  of stamps  sold over the  past few months,  which                                                                   
would  yield an  increase in  cigarette tax  revenues if  the                                                                   
current rate holds  steady.  She said that she  has talked to                                                                   
retailers who  have been buying  product on the  Internet and                                                                   
violating the tax laws for years,  as well as not getting the                                                                   
stamp affixed.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative Chenault commented  that he knows a person who                                                                   
received a bill  from the Department of Revenue  a year after                                                                   
buying cigarettes  over the Internet.  He asked  if retailers                                                                   
are required to  turn in names of persons who  buy cigarettes                                                                   
over  the   Internet.  Ms.  Bales  affirmed.   Representative                                                                   
Chenault voiced that  he did not think Internet  sales pose a                                                                   
major problem.   Currently he  could have cigarettes  sent to                                                                   
him from  out of state  without paying  any tax, and  run the                                                                   
very  small risk  of  prosecution  for smuggling.  The  State                                                                   
wants to ensure  that it gets every dollar for  every pack of                                                                   
cigarettes sold  in the state,  which he implied is  the real                                                                   
reason the state has chosen to stamp cigarettes.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Bunde   clarified  that  the  stamp   simply  allows                                                                   
enforcement   of   the  current   law.     He   agreed   with                                                                   
Representative  Chenault that  the  incentive behind  raising                                                                   
the  tax  is   to  make  smoking  more  expensive   and  less                                                                   
attractive.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Meyer commented  that his  concern prompting  the                                                                   
question  about  the black  market  related to  receiving  an                                                                   
email  message  saying,  "start  smoking now  and  get  cheap                                                                   
cigarettes."  He  asked if  military  bases  are exempt.  Ms.                                                                   
Bales  affirmed. Vice-Chair  Meyer asked  how it  works if  a                                                                   
member of  the military lives  off base. Ms.  Bales explained                                                                   
that federal  law prohibits  the State  from taxing  sales to                                                                   
the military, but there is a mandate  to the military to sell                                                                   
cigarettes  at no less  than 90%  of the surrounding  market.                                                                   
She had been in  stores on base and observed  that the prices                                                                   
are  not significantly  different  than retail  prices.   Ms.                                                                   
Bales said  that the  Department doesn't  see a problem  with                                                                   
the military.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Meyer  asked  if the  stamp  applies  to  chewing                                                                   
tobacco, snuff  and pipe tobacco.   Ms. Bales  explained that                                                                   
the stamps are not affixed to  other tobacco products because                                                                   
all cigarette packages  are about the same size,  while other                                                                   
products are of varied size.   She was not aware of any other                                                                   
state  requiring  a  stamp on  tobacco  products  other  than                                                                   
cigarettes.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SB  291  was   heard  and  HELD  in  Committee   for  further                                                                   
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                

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